Interview with Adam Garone
Adam Garone is the CEO and Founder of Movember. He, his fellow founders and the Movember team have completely changed the face of men’s health. They have brought the conversation into the home, the workplace and made it ‘ok’ for men to show vulnerability.
This was a special interview for me with a bit of a hero of mine. Conducted at 4am (Aussie Time) due to Adam domicile in the US these days. At the time he was on leave following the birth of his first child, ‘Presley’. It is a great interview exploring numerous topics, but focusing on mens health especially.
This is the final episode of Fired Up Dads and a great way to finish.
Watch out for my next project – Transition to Man.
ADAM BALDOCK: Alright. Adam Garone, welcome to the show.
ADAM GARONE: Thank you for having me.
ADAM BALDOCK: No. Thanks for spending some time. I’m aware that you’re busy man, so I really appreciate it.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. All good.
ADAM BALDOCK: So let’s get straight into and effectively I understand you’ve recently become a new father?
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. Well, my wife and I had Presley Matilda on January 11th, so about two and a half weeks ago. Well, I live in Los Angeles, so she was born here. So she’ll be half Aussie half American.
ADAM BALDOCK: Double passport?
ADAM GARONE: I hope so, yeah. I haven’t managed to achieve that yet. So she’ll probably get that before I do. Well, she’ll certainly get a US passport.
ADAM BALDOCK: Brilliant. And you’ve gone for the citizenship hopefully, have you?
ADAM GARONE: I’ve been on visa and then going through a green card. So which is a whole other admin nightmare. So I’m still in that process. I was, yeah, late last year I was in the process and you actually cannot leave the U.S. at a certain stage of that and my father last year had a heart attack so I had to rush back to Australia and so it sort of keep me out of process. I had to go back in the queue and then we finally got our interview date and just my wife has to be there as the petitioner and that was for January 12th and Pressley was due in January 1 so that’s going to be fine. You don’t really get a lot to say to when these interviews are.
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah. It’s a bit like a child arrival. You don’t get a lot to say in that either.
ADAM GARONE: Well, exactly. So, yeah. So was born on January 11th. So I had to cancel it the day before because we were still in the hospital. And then, you know, really that accommodating to anything that’s going on in your personal life. So I’m back in this sort of black hole where you drew another interview. But, yeah, I think I’ve got some pretty good proof points now, I’ve got a baby, I’ve got a wife and I’ve been there for eight years and set up this organisation and employ a bunch of people over the years.
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah. And it’s philanthropic and all of that. That’s going to be good for you, yeah.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Again, this is the reason, I was an officer in the Australian Army and in Special Forces. One of the red flags says, “Have you ever served in the military and have you ever been trained in X, Y, Z’s and other stuff?” which is the case, so that’s red flag and charities, running a charity is also a flag because of how some of the funds have been funded through charities to terrorist organisations. So a couple of flags, you know, ‘cause they just, I’d say it’s tick box thing, so you sort of tick the staff and then obviously you have to talk through it in the interview process, but yeah, it is an interesting overhead too and then to be managing when you’re not living at home.
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah, absolutely. Well, yeah, so that sounds like a bit of a challenge for you but hopefully you’ll get there. I hope they’ll see the light but they are a bit [unclear 03:31] that sort of thing as well, aren’t they?
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. Even more so with sort of the taxing powers and there was one here in California a few weeks ago. So securities [unclear 03:47] of the election. That would be up and homeland security is a huge concern.
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah. Well. Okay. Well, good luck with that.
ADAM GARONE: No offence.
ADAM BALDOCK: Now, let’s get back to your parenting. So tell me, you’re a new dad. What type of father do you hope to be? You probably had a picture for a while now, so take me through that?
ADAM GARONE: Hey, Adam, sorry. My brother is at the door.
ADAM BALDOCK: No problem.
ADAM GARONE: Can we pause and then would you be able to edit this a little bit up?
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah, no problems at all mate, no worries.
ADAM GARONE: Alright. Just one sec.
ADAM BALDOCK: Do what you’re going to do. Yeah, cool. So we’ve been talking about the type of father that you hope to be or are now that you’ve joined the ranks of us, parents.
ADAM GARONE: I think it’s a big question. You know, I always want to be there with her and for her and support her and just be supporting and sort of the best father that I could possibly be and every day just learn and evolve and support her and at the moment that’s sort of the most basic support that’s exist, sort of dependent on you. So, you know, I took all of January off and I’ll take a couple weeks off and after, and sort of March. Yeah, just spend as much time as possible with them and, yeah, try to inspire them, coach them, support them through every phase of life.
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah, absolutely. I was talking to a mate yesterday in a similar boat with yourself, just had a newborn and he says to me, “No one tells you about it” but, yeah, that’s true, you know? But no one can tell you about exactly the experience you’re about to have and it’s a great one but it is a tough journey. Now, I’ve got a seven-year-old, five-year-old and a one-year-old at the moment and, yeah, the last seven years have gone fast but there always been some challenges, been some great times, but yeah, it’s a hard gate–
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. It definitely is and at the Movember Foundation, we’d focus on prostate cancer, testicular cancer but also mental health which is really focused on suicide prevention for men and so 3 out of 4 suicides are men and there’s no biological reason for that. It’s just – you sort of look at the triggers for this and one of them and often the starting point is significant life moment and that can tip someone into depression. So you normally go to the obvious stuff which is relationship breakdown or loss of a job, redefining your sexuality, a loss of a family but also another big one and certainly we’ve identified through our research is when men become fathers because it really redefines your role in the family and your relationship with your partner and a lot of guys don’t know sort of how to relate to that and that can tip some guys into depression. We often talk about it and it’s widely known that women often suffer from depression after giving birth but it’s not well known that a lot of guys do as well and a lot of guys actually don’t even realised they are experiencing that. And as guys, we’re really not good at seeking help and I think one of the things certainly that the foundation is relevant to me now personally is it’s so important to maintain, you know, meaningful social connections in your life outside of your immediate family so you can pick up phone or hangout with your mates and just chat about what’s going on that is so healthy and therapeutic and a lot of guys just don’t do that because they start to put their family first which is obviously the right thing to do but at the expense of keeping up and maintaining really strong and meaningful social connections. So often when you have these significant life moments, you struggle with those, you become isolated and naturally not tuned to seek help. That becomes this recipe through, you know, sometimes sort of a tragic outcome is that guys go down these wrongs in the ladder. So from the Movember Foundation point of view, that’s one of our core challenges is breaking that cycle and a big part of it is around, you know, guys becoming new dads and what that means.
ADAM BALDOCK: Fantastic and you took to stay on the line that I was hoping to steer the conversation into, so thanks for that, Adam. That’s brilliant. Yeah. That was a big area I was going to heed into ‘cause, you know, I’ve made it pretty known and throughout the journey on the Fired Up Dads that, you know, I struggled a fair bit and I probably had a postnatal depression myself but yeah, it is a tough gig in there and through the research you’ve done ‘cause I’ve listened to a number of the Movember Radio if certain and some fantastic stuff comes out in there right across the board. Tom Carroll was great. Craig Cooper was great and Kirk Pengilly and Layne Beachley, it was fantastic and, you know, I’ve listened to the episode with, is it Emily, the sex therapist, that was brilliant. But yeah through all of that and the research that comes out in Movember, has there been other than the standard, you know, in keeping those connections and things. Has there been any other insights into how men can handle that change and particularly when the children come along?
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. There’s been a number and so the changes are inevitable and going through tough times is inevitable as well and, you know, as boys – and this really relates to, you know, but certainly the way we bring up boys just in society, men and women, you know, we condition them for a very early age to where boys be in control and tough and show the right type of attitude. So we condition boys to become men that always sort of need to feel in control and never vulnerable and never weak and that actually creates some quite negative aspects of masculinity and then some of the stuff that we’re trying to nudge is to, you know, make it okay to be vulnerable and to put your hand up and say, “Hey, I’m struggling and I need a bit of support.” So part of the reason why we launched Movember Radio is to talk with men that from all walks of life, successful athletes to musicians to actors to guys that have attempted to take their life and survived to prostate cancer survivors to tell these stories that really show this level of vulnerability and hopefully inspire other men to go, “Okay, it is okay not to always be in control and it’s okay to feel vulnerable” but mostly importantly talk about it and talk about it with your friends. So a lot of the work that we do is thinking about the environment where we can really encourage men to have meaningful conversations and, you know, as we know we’re not good, we, men, aren’t good at seeking help and we don’t want to call a therapist if we’re feeling down because stigma is associated with that word and actually doing that. What we also found through our research is the majority of health services being doctor or a therapist, it tailored for women and children. So if you’d go into your GP’s office, it’ll typically be tailored for men and women – for women and children. So we naturally when we get in there, we don’t want to do that. We don’t want to go there and start. So we’re trying to create environments or identify environments where men go that we can actually have these meaningful conversation and the program that we’re going to launch later this year is the one I’m working on, it’s called “Movember Rated Barbers”. So if women have this amazing relationship with their hairstylist, they’ll all go there probably every six to eight weeks and sit down for a couple of hours at some occasions and talk about life, talk about everything. With the shift to men going back to barbers, barbers potentially have this great role to play in facilitating this conversations and they are happening now but the barbers all about as we speak to them don’t feel properly equipped to be having these conversations, so we want to create an online training program for barbers that they go through and learn about mental health, learn about the way to talk about it properly. The way to respond is someone says they’ve become a new dad, they’d lost their job, they’re feeling depressed, they’re feeling suicidal and we’ll also go into prostate and testicular cancer and your hair and how that can reflect your levels of stress and things like that. So they’re that type of innovations that we at the Movember Foundation look at and sort of thinking about, okay, where do men go where we can influence in a really authentic way the conversation around, you know, what’s going on in life? Get men talking about the big stuff that’s going on in their life and not just always saying, “Yeah, I’m cool. I’m alright.” When sometimes that’s actually not the case.
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah. What a great initiative. I mean, who would’ve thought of the barber one. Tell us how you came up with that one?
ADAM GARONE: Well, you know, obviously, grooming, shaving, is an integral part of doing Movember and we have a barbershop near to our offices and here in L.A. it’s opened a couple days a week so we have the barbers in there and so you just hang out in there and it’s back – well, if you look at the history of barbers back into sort of the 15th and 16th century they actually perform the basic surgery. So if you wanted a teeth extracted or you need blood-leaching and all of this stuff, you would go to the barber and they were called barber surgeons and the tradition of the spinning pole, the red and white pole, was they would hang bandages out the front of the barbershop and some will be blood-soaked, some would be washed, so that’s where you get the red and white and because of the wind, they would wrap around the pole. So that’s the origins of the barber pole.
ADAM BALDOCK: Right.
ADAM GARONE: And then sort of evolved and then, you know, in the 1900s the barbershop was a core part of the community. It’s where men used to go to hang out and come and discussed all sorts of stuff. And we went away from that and we have researchers back to the barber. So we want to really tap into that and but equipped the barbers ‘cause all the barbers I speak to and there’s a lot, because a lot of them through Movember because it’s good for business. So they do shave parties, they grooming through the month and then I’ll host the party in a month and, you know, barbers really do things, that is the skill of cutting your hair but equally important is the conversation you have with the person in the chair and you speak to barbers and you’d start talking about the conversation that goes on the chairs and one of our sort of taglines with this program is “What is said in the chair, stays in the chair” and they have really meaningful deep conversations but the vast majority which don’t feel property equipped to respond to someone when they say they’re depressed or they’re struggling or potentially they’ve contemplated suicide. So we wanted them besides talks and educate them about men’s health and the various aspects, the key aspects of doing that. So it’s sort of an evolution of having your own barbershops and hanging out in barbershops, listening to conversations and then marrying that with the challenge of, you know, getting men and supporting men to talk about the big issues in life.
ADAM BALDOCK: Brilliant. I love it and I’m a big fan from what you guys do and I actually did Movember for the first time this year and regret that I hadn’t done it previously but I went all out and put on a big cocktail in it and women manage to get up over $1,000 there. So I’ve decided I’m going annual. It’s a going to be a massive cocktail event every yea. This year I’m going to cater it and [unclear 19:37] and see if we can get up there around the 5,000 or more.
ADAM GARONE: Well, as you would realise, we really have two outcomes that we focus on in Movember, one is the conversations that have created by growing moustache and that’s how Movember started. It like, it was a conversation between my brother and my mate, Luke, and then said he was growing moustaches for no particular reason in 2003 and we’re pretty much the only 30-year-old dudes in the world rocking moustaches at the time and the amount of conversation that are created was quite phenomenal and it was that power of that conversation that sparked us together, “Well, let’s make the conversation meaningful” other than, you know, in the first year, we just wanted to have a moustache thing party at the end of November. And you know, it’s one of the amazing outcomes of the campaign and I always say, you know, obviously I did Movember every year but I always say to some that’s done it before and may be is getting a bit tired of it or is contemplating. I always say, I guarantee you’ll have one conversation because of the moustache that will make it all worthwhile, I guarantee that. It’ll be a minimum one and every year, I do Movember. I have that one conversation that surprises me that, you know, really good mate whose Movember or chatting and things. I haven’t told you this but I suffer from anxiety to the extent where I am on medication and there’s days where I can’t leave the house because I think [unclear 21:10] that I will discover for it. That sounds ridiculous and but that’s how I feel and so, you know, just him sharing that with me was life changing and fundamentally changed our relationship.
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah. And I saw a lot of that when I did Movember as well and, you know, just having the cocktail and things promote a lot of that sort of conversation because, you know, people were there for the purpose of me growing the mou and then, you know, so they started talking about mous and then it can always inevitably leads into men’s health.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah.
ADAM BALDOCK: I wasn’t going to venture into the health stuff because you probably get out of it every time you go on. So I’ll just going to refer people back to episode 1 of Movember if they want details about how Movember had started.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. I appreciate that. If I have to tell the story one more time.
ADAM BALDOCK: But one question I do have for you one that one is are you surprised that how large it went?
ADAM GARONE: Yeah, absolutely. So initially it was just a passion project for co-founders and it was, you know, we’re at the stage in our life where we wanted to do something good and get back to the community and this was our vehicle and never did we expect it to become a global movement. Never did we expect that we would end up working in the organisation and now it’s in 21 countries. It’s where the major funder of prostate and testicular cancer research and support programs globally. We’re really a significant player in the mental health space and we’re one of the very few organisations globally that focused on mental health from a male perspective. The majority of the organisations out there look at men and women and a lot them [unclear 23:00] which wonderful but, you know, that is a really significant men’s health issue and, you know, it’s mental health and the rate of suicides with men and it’s just this health crisis that no one is talking about and, you know, for us we would’ve drag it out of the shadows. It’s a known issue but the biggest thing is we got to start talking about it, get rid of these stupid stigmas and as I said, yeah, inspire men to have the conversations that matter.
ADAM BALDOCK: Agree. Agree. You know, you’ve touched on the conditioning of boys and things that a little earlier and that’s a big area for me because I’m appalled at the rate of suicide of the 15 to 20-year-old age group and it’s quite surprising. The shear effect that it’s grows by 20% year on year for the last two to three years. So it’s a bit of a shocking state of affairs but I’ve heard a couple of ideas around that which I’ve talked to you about it.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. I mean, to be brutally honest the way we’re tackling the problem at the moment is not working, clearly. I must show you the stat. And that’s where, you know, for us just like how do we tackle this from different angle, hence the Movember Rated Barber Program. We’re the major funder of the Men’s Shed programs through Beyondblue. And again, that’s exactly what Movember Rated Barber is creating these environments where men to begin rural areas of Australia can go do some work on a community projects but we do that because the backdrop of these conversations that, “You know, what’s going on?”
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah. That’s fantastic and it’s – you’ve certainly raised the profile of the whole men’s health genre and it’s acridity and the world thanks you for that for sure.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah, cheers! You know, it’s a big issue and men on average die than these younger women and there’s no biological reason for that and it’s because when it comes to our health and when I say health, I mean, mental and physical, you know, we’re apathetic about our health. We’re not that knowledgeable. We’re not talking of what’s going on and the big one is we don’t take action and then just, you know, show the right type of attitude [unclear 25:39] and that can have pretty big consequences and, you know, five years difference is in average life is huge. It’s huge.
ADAM BALDOCK: Well, you can achieve a lot in five years.
ADAM GARONE: It’s not bad. You can miss a lot as well.
ADAM BALDOCK: Absolutely. Yeah. That’s the scary and worst part.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah, and when you become a parent, it puts at all in perspective is like we you want your see kids get married and have their own kids and stuff like that ‘cause, you know, you sort of project that, “I don’t really care when I’m 67 or 80 and knocks five years in the case because you sort of think you’ll be in the home and hooked up some machine but I can guarantee you when you’re at that age, you will be hanging on to every day and every year because it is so important and then what we do with that health, mental and physical has a cumulative effect.
ADAM BALDOCK: Absolutely. Well, 60s and you’re 40 anyway. So, you know?
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. What you’re doing in your 30s and 40s absolutely impact your health when you’re 50s and 60s and beyond and, you know, the biggest – we worked some new program last year as part of the campaign which is called Move and it’s first four letters of Movember and the most important thing we can do for our health, mental and physical is to be more active. It doesn’t necessarily mean going to the gym every day. It means walking, running, whatever you’re into but doing something every day. The best way to stay mentally healthy and one of the best drugs for depression or anxiety is exercises and I always say exercise can be free and the side effects are amazing and particularly that with your kids, it’s so important.
ADAM BALDOCK: It is. It is. And you’ve swing us nicely back around to some of the Fired Up Dads questions that I ask all the dads and because here at Fired Up Dads, we’re all about helping dads with balance in life and career and staying healthy as we progress through life. So you’re a busy man, Adam. You know, you’ve set up this amazing foundation. You’ve moved yourself to the states. You’ve not had a child. You’re now trying to get citizenship in the States and so forth, you’ve got a lot in your plate. So two areas we’d want to explore, firstly being, tell us the story how you meet your wife and more importantly, tell us how you keep your relationship alive with all of these pressures that are on you?
ADAM GARONE: Okay. So how I met, Jas? It’s a good story. I don’t think it’ll be one I will be telling the immigration officer at the green card thing. So hopefully there’s not too many of them tuning into this, but I met her in Cuba, Havana and that [unclear 28:48]. So we met in Havana and there was a group of people, Americans going down there and I was friends with a couple of them and so I was due to go back to Australia and I just been travelling so much that I wanted to stay here over Christmas, New Years a few years ago and so I jumped on the trip last minute and I have to go through this extensive process to get special sort of visas to travel to Cuba because it’s illegal. We don’t have that same restriction. So, yeah, basically I was only holidays with a group and I knew a couple of them and, yeah, Jas was on the trip. So we were sort of partying and sightseeing in Havana for a week, so that’s where we initially met and we came back through Mexico, beautiful beaches down there and we’re just hanging out and that’s where it all started and she happened to live in L.A. and I know it’s a huge place, so I often don’t date people from the other date side of town ‘cause it’s just such a challenge to get across town but she happen to live close by and Dan and Venice as well, so yeah, it all started from that sort of interaction, and yeah. Then the second part of the question is a really good one because Pressley becomes all-consuming and you’d focus on that, you know, Jas is still recovering. She had a C-section, so she’s not moving around much. So I get all the fun jobs of changing the nappies or the diapers as they call them up here. So, yeah, that at the moment is really quite challenging. There’s not a lot we can do at the moment but, you know, we’re very social people, so we’ve had a lot of people over coming. Rule is always, you know, come over but you got to bring dinner.
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah. Well, you know, that’s standard, isn’t it? I mean, it certainly is. It seems to be over here in Aussie and we just got [unclear 31:05] with food when we had our first. Unfortunately, it doesn’t happen for two and three.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah, so it’s keeping up that aspect of our life. We always said that we’re going to make sure that Pressley is, you know, part of our life and she’ll come with us with the stuff we do socially. We love to travel and stuff like that. So we’re coming back to Australia in March so she’ll come out there for a few weeks. So we got to get the little passport and she’ll be on QF94 back to Australia. I even [unclear 31:42] done that much for a weeks. So it’s just making sure that the stuff that we enjoy doing together doesn’t stop but we’ll get to when Jas feel a little bit better, you know, an opportunity just to go out just the two us and reflect on the past probably first month of having Pressley.
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah, fantastic. I’m sure that you have families back here in Australia?
ADAM GARONE: Yeah, my parents are back there, so a lot of face time at the moment. Got my brother who I coached out in Movember with and he’s in town at the moment actually. Been doing a bit of work on Movember with him, so he’s been able to check her out and spent a bit of time with her.
ADAM BALDOCK: Good work. Good work. That’s the important parts and I love the fact that you’re – that because your wife is bedridden at the moment you’re getting that bonding time which is all important part, so yeah, brilliant.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. Yeah. It’s awesome and, you know, it’s amazing how they sort of evolved just in the first few weeks.
ADAM BALDOCK: Absolutely. Yeah. We’re going to talk and that’s the challenge. So fantastic. That’s one of the major parts that we talk about and I love the story on how you met your wife but we also just talked about the family and how you keep your relationship going but with everything that’s going on, we also usually talk about balance in career and family. So what’s been your thoughts around or you probably haven’t even had a chance to get above the water to start thinking about the future on how you’re going to balance all of this travel and the business, so anything there?
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. That’s always a really interesting one is that a big part of my role is as CEO of Movember is travel and literally first week back next at where I come travelling up to Canada and then to London and then back for sort of 10 days, so that’s going to put an immediate stress back here but, you know, it’s the reality of that job and what’s required. I think work-life balance is so important and it’s a big part of what we do and what we promote in Movember. So for me it’s going to lead by example here and make sure there is that balance which becomes increasingly tough with the level of connectivity that we all have with our mobile phones and stuff now that you’re always on just doing something. But it’s the importance of being present like truly, truly present when you’re spending time with, you know, whether Jas or Pressley now it’s so important. It’s just hanging out and not having those distractions around and just doing something together and just being there and making sure that there is that time, you know … and certainly the culture that we’ve created in Movember is all about sort of work-life balance and all of us that work there we have to practice what we’re trying to or what we’re preaching out to the broader community. You know, being active and having time out is just so important.
ADAM BALDOCK: I couldn’t agree more. I couldn’t agree more. Brilliant. Now, I always have a power dads round before we give some details and then say goodbye. It’s what it is. It’s a six short answer questions.
ADAM GARONE: Okay.
ADAM BALDOCK: Are you ready?
ADAM GARONE: I think so.
ADAM BALDOCK: Favourite dad toy and why?
ADAM GARONE: Favourite dad toy? The baby monitor thing, the camera. Remote monitor.
ADAM BALDOCK: Fantastic. Yeah. They’re handy. I love the technology in those now, how they can give you temperature and give you so much information.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. I’ve been testing the range to see how far I can be away.
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah. How far have you got?
ADAM GARONE: We pretty much live on the beach so it doesn’t quite get to the beach but–
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah. Time to move house.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah.
ADAM BALDOCK: Recommended book that helps? Don’t necessarily have to be dad-related. What’s the book that you would either give away the most or would recommend?
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. I do a lot of reading. It’s mainly around business books and stuff like that. There was a book that was in a DVD, it’s American but it’s called “The Happiest Kid on the Block.”
ADAM BALDOCK: Okay.
ADAM GARONE: It’s a DVD that, yeah, it was just, you know, how to, you know, it’s in a very initial phases how you can keep your kid happy. That was good. So, “The Happiest Kid on the Block.”
ADAM BALDOCK: Brilliant. I’ll put a link to that in the show notes. How do you find time for yourself?
ADAM GARONE: Yeah, I can use to go out, you know, an hour or two to go for a run or walk or be down on the beach. So just make sure I carved that out and, you know, we’re fortunately Pressley at least at the moment is sleeping well, so get up early and go for a run or walk down the beach. So just get out of the house ‘cause not being in sort of either in hospital or here with Jas in recovery. So, yeah, I get a bit claustrophobic in the house so I just want to get out but it’s just carving out some time for yourself every day.
ADAM BALDOCK: Do you have a family tradition. So obviously it’s been you and Jas, so that tradition would be more around you and Jas, more so than with Presley.
ADAM GARONE: Family tradition? We get a really fantastic friend that work over here so we all get together and do a Sunday lunch. So it’s quite interesting to have some of the roles are reversed, so all the guys get together then we cook, cook up a big meal and the girls sort of chill out and have a wine while we cook up. It sort of relates to what we’re talking about before and, you know, those conversations and us guys, we just love doing stuff. So it’s just a really good time that we all get-together and we all create something for us to eat and, yeah, just good conversation, good time. So, yeah, Sunday get-togethers.
ADAM BALDOCK: I love it. I love it. And what’s one personal habit that you believe or help you be a better dad?
ADAM GARONE: That’s a good question. Just keeping my moustache groomed appropriately.
ADAM BALDOCK: I love that one, mate. It’s good. No other dad has ever said that one. It’s good. And the last question and this is my favourite. I love this one. What’s the one thing you would tell Pressley to help her be successful in life?
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. That’s a big, big question. I think the most important thing in, you know, certain mantra in Movember is just whatever it is you do just have fun and really enjoy it. I think when you’re having fun and [unclear 39:56] mantra in Movember is having fun doing good and, you know, there’s something in your life that where you’re not having fun, you really don’t like what it is, you know, stop doing it and that could be relationship. It could be work. It could be something inside. It’s so important to be happy and to enjoy the moment. So, yeah, I’d say have fun, dream big and I mean, if we can create a global organisation out of out of these grown moustaches like literally, she can do whatever she wants because that should never have worked. It’s the amount of people said that that was a stupid idea and there it is, it’s quite phenomenal but it’s sticking with what you believe, having fun, being passionate and just going at it.
ADAM BALDOCK: Brilliant. Brilliant and I love it. I love that shear effect that you keep going in the face of adversity and people saying, no, you can’t do it and you prove them wrong and that’s what I’ve told out I think. Brilliant.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. Sure is.
ADAM BALDOCK: Good one. Well, I’m conscious of your time, Adam, and I’d like to thank you spending some time with me and the Fired Up Dads.
ADAM GARONE: Yeah. Thank you for having me and keep up the good work because it is a really important topic.
ADAM BALDOCK: Yeah. Brilliant. Thanks. And Fired Up Dads, if you’d like what you heard today, please head on over to firedupdads.com. I’ll put links in the show notes and also a link over to Movember. Don’t forget to head over to Movember podcast as well. That’s a Movember Radio, it was brilliant. I can certainly vouch for that personally, but thanks again and we’ll see you next time on Fired Up Dads.