Dave Burroughs is a father of three children; a nine year old daughter, Ella, seven year old son, Mitchell, and three year old son, Kayden. He is married to Natalie. David is an entrepreneur and is leading the way in the metal health space with his business, CommuniCorp. A business, which provides mental health and corporate wellness solutions to many large and small organisations. David gives us some insights into the minds of our children.
ADAM: Hello and welcome to Fired Up Dads, the number one dad podcast on the internet. Great to have you back for another show. Adam Baldock bringing you another inspiring Dad, Dave Burroughs. David is a father of three children; a nine year old daughter, Ella, seven year old son, Mitchell, and three year old son, Kayden.. He is married to Natalie. David is an entrepreneur and is leading the way in the metal health space with his business, CommuniCorp. A business, which provides mental health and corporate wellness solutions to many large and small organisations. I am hoping David will give us some insights into the minds of our children. David, I hope, you are ready to fire up some dads. Welcome to the show, David Burroughs.
DAVID: Thanks for having me here. I am really excited at the opportunity.
ADAM: It’s good stuff, really great to have you David. So, I have given you some insights into the family, tell us a bit more about the clan.
DAVID: Oh, about the clan. Well, wife is a CEO of an Aboriginal Organisation, board member for a couple of organisations. She is a very busy lady with our kids, typical kids. You know our nine – year old daughters are real dynamite, seven – year old son’s a mad keen surfer who loves his gymnastics and walking down on his hands and my three – year old is just basically a ratbag but he’s a wonderful delightful ratbag as well, so I got no complaints as far as that’s concerned. It certainly keeps me busy.
ADAM: Great. Having the wife as a CEO must make the household crazy busy, mate?
DAVID: It is not a great deal of time that’s for sure but we do our best to try and provide some sort of balance and boundary in the mix. Not always successful I got to say that though.
ADAM: Yeah, yeah, it’s tough all right. But I am looking forward to hearing more about it as we worked through.
DAVID: Yeah, sure.
ADAM: So what type of father do you think you are David?
DAVID: I can be a pretty involved dad, you know a bit of a worrier. I am always worrying about the welfare and well – being of my kids and making sure that they’re okay but you know I like to be involved but Friday is a school drop off so I try to do as many pickups as I can. I like to make the kid’s lunches whenever I can. I try to be there for weekend sport and taking them to soccer training and those sorts of things and surf as much as I can but it’s certainly a challenge with running a business and then regular hours and travelling, those sorts of things.
ADAM: Yeah. I know you and I have known each other for a bit and
DAVID: We [cut – off] that’s for sure.
ADAM: Exactly, we have met in a few cities and that was the point I was going to make. So you know with your wife jumping out of bed to be CEO as well and having been a CEO myself, I know what that takes, so the kids must often wake up to no one.
DAVID: Oh, we’ve got some pretty good systems in place over the years. So I will work from home every Friday, my wife works from home every Monday. So we try to them as much stability and predictability as we can as far as that’s concerned. But yeah there are times they [‘re like – this week I have spent a couple of days away and my wife was away the week before but you know, it’s difficult to maintain executive careers without having to have some sort of compromise in those areas.
ADAM: Yeah. So, let’s move on a bit because we’ll come back to that when we move into the career exploring questions. But for those that are listening to the show they know that Fired Up Dads is all about helping dads on the journey and the challenges that we as see as dads. We all know it starts with that moment the day our youngsters arrive and you have had that joy of having three. So tell me the story about your transition into being a father and what are the struggles that you saw as you went through?
DAVID: Well challenges of being a father. Well you know I suppose every dad have the same experience when the first one comes along it’s the most remarkable thing that’s ever occurred in your life. And every time you think back of it it doesn’t lose its significance. I have been really lucky in that when I had – have had my kids I have pretty supportive colleagues and things that have enabled me to take time with the family once the kids have come along. But, you know certainly I think anyone who has run their own business have been responsible for sort of the success or failure of their business and trying to grow a business and managed having a family as well has certainly struggled or will struggle at some point time. We’re trying to keep everything in some degree of balance and I don’t know that’s probably one of the biggest struggles for me.
ADAM: Yeah, absolutely and biggest struggles for me too. And it wasn’t until I got really sick that I woke up and went, “What am I doing? I have missed most of my children’s lives at the start for the first five years and got nothing to show for it.” So –
DAVID: Yeah, and I mean –that’s it, oh, it‘s such a common story. I mean I wished someone had given us the heads-up early on about the extent of the trade off that you often make in that area.
ADAM: Yeah, I agree.
DAVID: I mean for me, I was at one point there. When we were setting up and developing a corporate training company across Asia and my wife pointed out after seven years of marriage and two kids, that I had actually spent an equivalent of an entire year working overseas away from them. That was a real wakeup call for me.
ADAM: Yeah, that’s huge. Do you think the current environment with a lot of parents now having children later contributes to that? Because I think a lot of dads are in a period in their lives where their careers are just starting to take off and yet youngsters arrive and you’ve got to find that balance somewhere.
DAVID: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Well I am 43 so my last kid came along when I was just about 40. I mean that’s sort of – for me you know mid – 30’s throughout my 40’s that’s going to be my peak income earning period. That’s going to be sort of the peak of my career I think is going on at the same time as when my greatest responsibilities are for raising my kids. So yeah, I think that the age that we’re having kids is certainly not making it any easier for us, that’s for sure. It sets different expectations there as well.
ADAM: Agree. So you’ve touched a little bit on a couple of your struggles there and you’ve talked about setting up a business in a completely fine country whilst having children. Would you see that as your toughest moment David or, tell us the story about your toughest moment if that’s not it.
DAVID: Well I think that’s part of the toughest moment and you know a few years ago now I was trying to setup a business in Asia. They have already setup the business, it’s bloody hard work. When you’re working overseas trying to get clients and try to bring on staff and those it seems it could be quite a lonely sort of miserable existence. But I was doing that while I had a pregnant wife at home and the toughest thing for me as a dad at that particular point in time was when my wife actually started to have some pregnancy complications. And I was in Hong Kong about to go into a meeting when she rings me up and there’s this all sorts of concerns in relation to a pregnancy. And that sort of really dawned on me then is that I couldn’t jump on the bus or jump on a train or jump on the car and come home, I was an eight – hour flight away if I could even get on a flight to get home. I mean part of the compromise for me was you know I was very committed to setting up the financial resources for the family to have a good life and those sorts of things but it come with a cost. I wasn’t there at the time when my wife actually really, really needed me and I had no capacity to get home quickly to support her. I think that for me up until now was probably one of the toughest experiences as a dad. And I reckon I got a lot more coming though, my kids are pretty full and energetic kids. I reckon I am going to be tested six or seven times yet along the way.
ADAM: Yeah, yeah, look I agree and you know I have interviewed a few dads now and the ones that I always find have really good interviews. And there’s no disrespect to any of the dads that I have talked to but the ones that have really good interviews are the older dads, the ones that have got kids that are now are in their late teens, early 20’s.
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ADAM: Because they got a lot of anecdotes to pull from and a lot of experience they’ve gone from. So I couldn’t agree more that you and I with our young kids have a long journey ahead of us and we’re only just experiencing some of that. And a lot of the other dads the young dads that I talked to or these days their older dads with younger children. But they, you know struggle a bit with talking more in depth about some of the stuff that they’re doing.
ADAM: But I wouldn’t call it deeper with what you said there Dave with you know, it would have been a really tough time as you described having a wife that was having some complications back in the home country when you’re in another country. So what was the emotional feel behind that?
DAVID: Helplessness. Helplessness and a feeling as if I’d traded off commercially outcomes for the well-being of my family. As I said, it’s pretty complex emotions you experience that sort of situation. I mean you were over there chasing dollars, I mean let’s not put too finer point on it that’s why you trying to set up these businesses in these different locations and whatnot. And you’re doing that knowing full well that things can go pear shape at home and when they do go pear – shape at home you sort of wonder if you have actually screwed up the balance? So, you’re wracked with guilt for what you’re doing, you’re frustrated by the entire situation and yet I supposed to some extent you are beating yourself up about the decisions that you made.
ADAM: Did you Think about quitting?
DAVID: I ended up selling that company.
ADAM: How long after?
DAVID: Oh, it was a couple years after but the international travel and being away from home just did literally get too much. It was unfair I think on the family for me to be away to the extent at which I was. I got the greatest respect for these military families that can hold themselves together over long periods of time because now they do it a lot more regularly what I was doing at that time. You know for me, being home was important. I wanted to be there. I said the role of a father as being as much as the provider but the protector. And to not be there that sort of be that emotional and physical support when things go wrong is suddenly it doesn’t sit well with me and it never will.
ADAM: Yeah, yeah and that’s good stuff. That’s really good talking that way. I want to explore this a little more so I am going to jump a couple of questions ahead actually.
ADAM: With – because we are on this theme of balancing career and you had some great value bombs in there with regard to that. So, tell me about your experience with balancing career. And what do you think the key to balancing career and family is, now that you have these experiences?
DAVID: Balancing career and family? Let’s just say for the self-employed it’s brutal.
ADAM: I couldn’t agree more.
DAVID: You see my parental leaves came within my small business.
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DAVID: I got to say, you do have flexibility when you’re self-employed along those things. But I tell you what, I have made a lot of mistakes as far as trying to get that balance right and for me I think I serve in trying to come up with a balance is fought with danger. I have never quite got that balance spot on it. I don’t know how you actually do that particularly when you know you got to work remarkably hard to be successful when you are developing your own business, that’s for sure. And when I was at uni, I was on food stamps and welfare to get through so you know I am pretty committed to making sure that I’ve got reasonable financial resources. Our business is pretty important to me. But the things that I have been doing is really trying to focus on boundaries, not so much balance but looking at some of the boundaries. So, simple stuff like if I come home from work I do a lot of my work in the car. I do a lot of business calls on the way to and from Sydney or to and from Canberra when I am working. These actually makes sure even if I am sitting on the driveway for an hour I have finished that work all before I come in the house. So I don’t have to look at an email, I don’t have to think about work when I do come in the door. Because when I come in to the door that is family time not work time. And that’s been one of the key little things for me, this little behavioural thing that worked exceptionally well is just you know really just leaving work before actually getting in to the house.
ADAM: Love it.
DAVID: And now what I’d be doing to is you know I have been playing with this idea of the digital Sabbath, have you heard of that?
ADAM: No, tell me more.
DAVID: It’s where you cut yourself off from social media and you cut yourself off from emails and technology for a 24 – hour period once a week so you can just spend time with your family. And that’s what I’ve been finding particularly how connected we are to the workplace. You know what it’s like when you’re in business you’re constantly checking bank balances and checking e-mails and looking at what the suppliers are doing and all those sorts of things. But to actually cut yourself off completely one day a week and just focus the stuff that you want to do and focus on your kids, that’s been something I have been dabbling at the moment. And I tell you what I find it stressful to do it at first but it’s really quite rewarding when you stick to it.
ADAM: And how – this is great value bomb here, how is your family taking to that? What differences have you seen in your family, since you have been doing that?
DAVID: Oh, that’s a good question. I don’t think I have seen any wide differences but I can tell that they know that I am much more engaged in them, that I am less distracted. You know the things that I am like hearing is things like, “Mum, dad’s on the phone again.” Or “dad’s in his computer again.” So they obviously notices that stuff. I mean you know what kids are like, they’re sponges. They see every little thing that you do and everything, they hear everything that you say, so they’re obviously picking on that, picking up on those sorts of things as well. But it’s really cool to be actually be there on the park or be at surfing or to just spend time with them when there is no distraction when then phone is not in your pocket or you’re going to be going out and checking work email. Where your time is 100% committed to them. I suppose it’s like a family based mind if you could use that, that sort of strategy.
ADAM: Whoa, we’re getting deep now Dave.
DAVID: Yeah, that’s right, that’s right put a line on that Adam. Obvious psychologist but that’s just – that’s about as complex as I get.
ADAM: Yeah, I know. Brilliant, brilliant. Some real valuable stuff there and thanks for telling the stories. But now it’s time to tell me a different story. Tell me about how you met your wife because we are in the middle of talking about balancing. So let’s keep on that theme, tell me how you met your wife? And what’s the key to balancing your relationship and whilst you’ve got kids.
DAVID: Yeah, okay that seems – I met my wife oh, God, teenagers. I was living in Biden’s Bay and I was a very cocky, over – confident, egotistical young surfer.
ADAM: What’s changed Dave?
DAVID: Hey, that’s about the only change. I could probably surf a bit better than what I can now. So, I was hitchhiking out to my girlfriend’s place because I didn’t have a car and I saw this very attractive brunette and her blonde friend across the road. And I thought, “You know I might kill two birds with one stone.” You know I might pick up these chicks and use them to help me hitchhike out to my girlfriend’s place. So I called them over, introduced myself, and got them to hitchhike for me because people are much more likely to pull over for attractive young women than rough, longhaired surfer blokes and it worked. And that’s when I actually met her. Jeez, I don’t know how many years ago was that now. 25 years ago whatever it was now back then in Biden’s Bay. And we all lived in Biden’s Bay and she lived in Canberra and we sort of kept in touch for a period of time. I ended up moving up to Canberra to go to uni and we sort of – she was still at school and then we sort of we’re kicking around and hanging out from then on.
ADAM: So, you weren’t a psychologist at this point where you?
DAVID: No, I wasn’t a psychologist I was a dropout student for quite a while. I was a barman, dancer, I was bobcat driver. I was actually working for her father at one point. Yeah, and then I had a workplace injury. I damaged the spine and I wasn’t able to operate machinery anymore or work in the construction industry anymore and I went back and re-trained. I actually started starting to become a psychologist a few years before but I was sick of being so broke no way to go back to the workforce. But I went back to that and I studied and became a psychologist. Yeah, so that was quite a few years ago now.
ADAM: I love from that story the way the psychologist, the psychology is coming out so early in your life. You analysed the situation, you determined that you might be able to pick these two up and you also determined that it was much better that people perceived it better to pull over and pick up females as to makes, mate.
DAVID: I probably made a fair assessment there.
ADAM: You were born to be a psychologist. Love it.
DAVID: But I am an unlikely psychologist. For those who know me I don’t particularly sound or look like your typical psychologist that’s for sure.
ADAM: No that’s true Dave, that’s true. So take me through that second part of that question. What do you think is the key to maintaining a good relationship with your wife now that you’ve got children and you’ve got all of this activity on your plate.
DAVID: Well jeez, I, for us it’s about having common interests, having fun. We got a laughter filled household and we make sure that there is always people having a joke, you know having fun at someone else’s expense. Just really enjoying things and taking things pretty lightly. My wife and I balance each other out very well. She is extraordinarily an assertive woman, a very, very capable woman and she’s not afraid to pull my head in. So that’s one of the keys for us is that she’s really – she helps me with the humility side of things and sometimes it can be a little bit lacking for me. And she’s really good at pulling you in line when I start to get a little bit wayward. But for us what we’ve really mean to try well we work pretty hard at making sure everything goes okay. We got common interest so we’re right into our fitness, we’re right into lifestyle and well-being and those sorts of things so, we spend it on a lot of training together, we actually do competitions together. And one of the little things that we put in a couple of years ago now that we stuck with is we have a date night once a week. So Tuesday night, date night for us. We don’t go to a plush restaurant, we go to the gym together. We go to the gym together and we do some mobility classes and those things and afterwards we go on and we have Thai or Japanese or something like that. So it’s a set thing for us but it’s something that is quite important and I know we both look forward to it each week. We got a nanny that we’ve had for ages who comes along and gives us a hand on that Tuesday night but it means that we get some time to ourselves and we’re doing something we actually really enjoy which earmarks that really busy schedules.
ADAM: Brilliant. That having common interest is a good one actually. It hasn’t come up before. If you ever read Jack Welsh’s book he talks about his first marriage falling to pieces because of the lack of common interest and the second wife he had the best marriage of all because of that common interest of golf of –
DAVID: Of golf.
ADAM: Yeah, golf as their common interest, so a great point. But we’re going to shift the whole interview a little now because you have given such great information to date and the dads of the world will be loving it. So we’re going to move back to the children. What’s your biggest worry when it comes to your children, Dave and what are you doing to mitigate those concerns?
DAVID: Okay I come from a family of worriers so I am good at worry. I worry about a lot of things.
ADAM: The key, the key to turn the table on your own psychology there, the key is when you worry too much is –
DAVID: To me, it places the folks and the things you can actually influence and to realise that kids are remarkably resilient and they are able to find their own way. But as a dad who has been through the ups and down you know I have been broke, like I have been as a poor as you get, sort of thing. I literally have been on Salvation Army food stamps just to get through and you know I have ridden knock down sides as well and I have been reasonably successful on it but the thing that I see now that worries me it’s just the cost of living in our kid’s future. I mean, I know and just what do we like for our children to buy a house and worry about things. Like, “Jeez what sort of financial business legacy or education could I actually provide for my kids to actually make it so, they can have as rich- not as financially rich but as fulfilling as life as what I have had?”. So I really worry about just how do young kids these days actually get to the point where they can have deposits for homes and they can travel overseas and they can do a lot of those things that at my stage of life we almost take for granted.
ADAM: Yeah. Yeah, that’s a good point. And when I got to admit that, I don’t have an answer for it at this time. It’s a worry for me as well. You know particularly when I see the cost of living for us is going up and I don’t consider myself to be a low – income earner. As a matter of fact, I probably earn quite well but at the same time, I wonder how families that earn less that what our household brings in are pulling things together. Because at times, you know it’s a struggle for us.
DAVID: Yeah, and it’s something that I think when you’re young you don’t worry about those things so much. But when you’re in the mix of mortgages and all those sort of things and you’ve been through the JFC’s and you have watched all of these sorts of things happen you sort of realise just how tricky this can be and how it’s it’s tricky its likely to be for our kids. I can’t see any way my kids will be living in Sydney, put it that way,
ADAM: Yeah, yeah. Well my wife raised an interesting point the other day about how a lot of kids or generations to come will be more reliant on their parents and rent until such time that their parents pass away and they inherit the rest assuming the parents leave them something that is.
DAVID: Yeah, and with the world living so along these days anyhow well that kids could be in trouble if it weren’t for that too.
ADAM: Yeah. It just means they stay at home longer with us. Love it. So Dave, before we move in to the Power Dads round, one more question. If you could change one thing in your life to help you be a better dad, what would that be?
DAVID: I’d’ be more patient. You know that’s one trait that I didn’t inherit from my father, he’s an extraordinarily patient man. I am an extraordinarily driven human being. I am quite committed to the thing I want to achieve but I don’t have a great deal of patience and my patience and tolerance levels are something that certainly are a work in progress. So if there’s one thing that I could change, I mean I think I’d like to take a leaf out of my father’s book as far as the patience is concerned and learn to actually sit back a little bit and not be so rushed to do things.
ADAM: Yeah, I am right with you Dave, that’s the big one I’d change as well. I am too quick to fire up I’m afraid.
DAVID: I am actually getting better. You know I like to spend the time now is just small moments just really watching and being immersed in what my kids and what are they doing but it be nice to be able to do that in a less distracted way.
ADAM: Yeah, yeah. Good stuff and a great way to lead in to the next round which is the Power Dads round. So short answers, six quick questions, are you ready Dave?
DAVID: I am ready.
ADAM: Excellent. What’s your favourite dad toy and why?
DAVID: My favourite dad toy is my 1977 Honda Z50 road registered monkey bike.
ADAM: Wow, good one.
order clonidine DAVID: It’s a tiny little thing, its looks like a golf motorbike but it’s a single seater, it’s very retro and you can’t fit anyone but me. So I can go down, check the surf, have a coffee, scoot around town and I don’t have to worry about having anyone come along with me.
ADAM: I love it. You need to send me a photo so I can stick it on the website.
DAVID: It’s a beautiful piece of machinery.
ADAM: Yeah, excellent. I am sure the dads of the world would love to see it, so make sure you send your photos.
DAVID: It looks a little bit funny but I tell you it is great.
ADAM: Excellent, excellent. What about a recommendation for a book that helps you be a better dad? It doesn’t necessarily have to be dad – related. I mean there has been some interesting suggestions from business-focused books and various other sectors or ethos.
DAVID: I don’t know. I think if I was to think of one – I don’t read any of the parenting books and those sorts of things. I have deliberately have avoided those but one that sort of stands out for me in Steven Pressfield’s book Gates of Fire about the Spartans and the 300 who led by King Leonidas fought the god-king Xeres at Thermopylae many, many years ago. And the reason why I say that’s not a bad book is because, if the Spartans can treat their kids as badly as what they did, and put them through what they actually put them through and they still came out reasonable human beings then I think anything I do is not going to stuff up my kids too badly.
ADAM: Oh, I love it. I am going out tomorrow to get that book.
DAVID: Very good book, it’s a wonderful author.
DAVID: They put them through to a thing called the Ago, which is when they’re seven- years old they basically throw them into a pi and make them survive on their own so it’s pretty fun.
ADAM: All right, wow. Okay, interesting book. I’ll make sure it gets linked up to Amazon on the website. And what about you Dave, how do you find time for yourself?
DAVID: For me the key there is being spontaneous. If the surf’s up, I look out my window and see if the surf’s up I’ll turn my phone off, give a surfboard ago and surf for an hour. And not planning too far in advance to some of those things is probably the most important thing for me. So I grab my time when I can get it. And even if it’s only a short period of time, I’ll grab it and I’ll enjoy it. So, everything’s spontaneous particularly with my surfing and what not is what works best for me. Even when it’s – it’s spontaneous quick trip to Fiji for a surf trip or quick trip to the snow in New Zealand, doing things at the spur of the moment something that my wife is very tolerant of and I think it’s really important for me.
ADAM: Yeah, look it’s a guy thing isn’t it? We need to have that capability and not be questioned about it. So great point, love it. Now this is the one I am keen to hear from you David being a psychologist. So, what’s an innovative trick that you use to help when disciplining with children?
DAVID: Jeez mate, that has got to be the hardest question to answer in a short way that I can ever possibly hope to be asked. For me I don’t think it’s innovative but I focus on trying to teach my kids about being empathic about trying to understand the other perspective, the perspective of others. So when my kids are in trouble it’s when they’re bluing with each other or having arguments with someone at school or someone’s not treating them they way they like to be treated and I really try and focus on with them getting them to understand the perspectives of others. And also for them really try and understand how important even when they might be upset or something has gone wrong why the need to be respectful of the decision of others and respectful of the the decisions that mum and dad make and that sort of thing. So it’s not easy, I mean it’s damn near impossible to reason with a three – year old. It’s hard enough to deal with a seven – year old and the nine – year old daughter it’s close to impossible as well. But for me, really trying to get them to understand the consequences of actions and how it impacts on others and how others might feel is the thing that I use when I am trying to sort of discipline them in their behaviour and ways that is not the way that I like them too.
ADAM: And do you feel you are getting some success?
DAVID: Yeah, I reckon I do, I reckon I do and –
ADAM: How do you measure that?
DAVID: I don’t think I can measure it but if I can get them to actually just reflect on what they’re doing and if I get them to say back to me can you understand what – how that other person feel. Well how do you think that makes mum and dad feel, you know? If they can actually articulate back, what they think might be going from our perspective then I think they’re starting to get it.
ADAM: Yeah, love that one.
DAVID: But my boys are pretty robust kids you know? They’re afraid of the whack on the bum or something it doesn’t actually – doesn’t do a great deal. So, this is the little tactic that I try to take. Psychology kids they’re jeez, difficult. I mean I worked with some of the biggest most complex companies and people issues in Australia but I tell you what, they’re all easy compared to how to tying to deal with kids.
ADAM: Yeah, I couldn’t agree more. I’d much rather go to work. Mate, I love that question Dave because it’s an area that I really struggle with.
DAVID: It will stump everyone.
ADAM: Yeah, absolutely.
DAVID: I am really keen to hear what other people are coming up with that one. I want some tips.
ADAM: Yeah, well Dave as I said to you, we launched on Monday, so there be three podcast there with three different approaches, so have a listen. And make sure you get on iTunes and give me a five – star rating and we’re all good.
DAVID: Yeah, done.
ADAM: So, continuing do you have a family tradition that you and the family uphold?
DAVID: Oh, no long terms ones. Once we had a Burroughs family Christmas party where we invite everyone we can from anywhere we know around our region to come with all their kids and we have you know virtually a 100 people come to a party at our house we’ve been doing that for years. And we holiday with the same family with similar aged kids every year as well. It’s just something that we do but we don’t really have any formal family traditions and things that we stick to.
ADAM: Okay. Yeah, that’s a common one. I think it’s – family traditions and things aren’t so common in the western society, so –
DAVID: My wife’s of a European background so they do the European Christmas thing where a lot where it’s doing out everything on Christmas Eve. We do a little bit of that but it’s gone by the way sort of over the years.
ADAM: Yeah, yeah. Okay, and last of the Power Dads round, what one personal habit do you believe you have that helps you be a better dad?
DAVID: That habit would be my focus on fitness and well-being.
ADAM: Good one. I like that.
DAVID: Yes, I think you know, modelling that sort of behaviour is brilliant for kids. When kids see involved in these sorts of things and they get involved as well and you’re setting really healthy habits that will set them up for a lifetime. And understanding the importance of food and nutrition and exercise and those sorts of things it’s probably the one thing that I am quite proud of that my kids are really looking at what we do in that space. My wife and I and you know because I don’t have to be dragged on kicking strings, they’re following on our footsteps and loving it as well.
ADAM: Great. Yeah, that’s an excellent one to be giving your kids. So, thanks for that Dave, great Power Dads round. So now, we move to the legacy question. We’re almost at the end but the legacy question is my favourite. What one thing would you tell your children to help them succeed in life?
DAVID: Hmm that’s such a tricky question isn’t it? I think for me one of the – there’s probably a couple of things. One of the most important ones would be is that don’t have a sense of entitlement. The world owes you nothing and it actually a remarkable effort to achieve remarkable things. In today’s day and age where everyone gets ribbon, everyone gets an award for participation, I think we lose sight of the fact that life is full of ups and downs and you actually have to push yourself to genuinely achieve the things that you want to achieve. So I think letting my kids know that having a sense of entitlement just won’t cut it for them is an important thing for me. But having said that, I’d have to put the caveat there that it’s really important to not to measure success just by the size of their bank balance or the types of the clothes that they’re wearing. But by the extent in which they’re living their life you know consistent with the values and doing the things that are important to them.
ADAM: Oh, Dave what a- boom, what a huge one to end on. Mate, you had me – I was riveted to that one. That’s whoa. I am sure the dads of the world are now just sitting there in awe of the answer to that question. That was –
DAVID: I don’t know.
ADAM: Brilliant. So, we’re coming to the end and thanks so much for spending time with me today Dave. But what I want to hear and give you the opportunity to do is tell me a little bit more about or the dads of the world a little bit more about CommuniCorp. I think you do such an important job and I think the dads of the world would really benefit from understanding what CommuniCorp does and possibly from obtaining your services at some stage.
DAVID: No worries, well thanks. CommuniCorp is a national firm. We’re corporate psychologists and we’re focused on the early intervention and prevention of psychological health issues in the workplace. So what we try to do is we try to improve individual team and organisational psychological health outcomes through focus on policy systems, procedures and people capabilities in corporate Australia. So we’re really focused on you know preventative mental health and making people time at work as good as what it can be and making businesses a success as what they can be through having psychologically healthy staff and systems in place.
ADAM: Love it. And you can get – Dave, where can they access a bit of information about you? What’s your website?
DAVID: The website is www.communicorpgroup.com
DAVID: Just Google CommuniCorp it will come up.
ADAM: Brilliant. And I will have links to that on the website and the show notes so feel free to head on over to firedupdads.com and you will be able to catch all of that in there.
DAVID: Excellent. And I’ll send a picture of that monkey bike as well. I strongly suggest that every father gets one.
ADAM: Brilliant. So thank you again for being my guest today Dave. It’s been a blast talking family matters and the dads of the world have got a lot out of it. But before we say goodbye can you give us one last tip for the dads of the world and then we’ll end.
DAVID: All right. It’s okay not to have all the answers and don’t forget kids have got a remarkable capacity to find their own way.
ADAM: Brilliant. And great way to end. So thanks dads of the world for hanging out at Fired Up Dads today. It’s been another great show and you have been hanging out with David Burroughs of CommuniCorp and Adam Baldock.. Head on over to firedupdads.com. to get the show notes from today and the other resources available on the website. Well I look forward to spending time with you, the dads of the world and David Burroughs again in the future. Have the best day ever. See you next time on Fired Up Dads.